*(Terima kasih & Penghargaan kpd Plan Malaysia - Jabatan Perancangan Bandar dan Desa, KPKT Malaysia)
Gated and Guarded "GnG" for Dummies (Malaysia)
Problems arise when corrupt RAs do not comply with the Council's guidelines when operating GnG schemes. If the RAs do not comply, their schemes are deemed illegal. What the Local Council initially approved for Guarded Neighbourhood (GN) schemes now have turned into illegal Gated Community (GC). Fyi, using razor wire, blocking roads, asking people for ID, using access cards are all prohibited
Sunday 18 June 2023
City and Town Planning Council (Plan Malaysia - JPBD, KPKT) GnG guidelines
Wednesday 14 September 2022
Why is the RA using auto access card system in a guarded neighbourhood scheme?
Since when are the RAs allowed to implement auto access card system despite not having the required 100% consent from the residents? There are many guarded neighbourhoods here that have implemented access cards despite illegal to do so.
Where is the rule-of-law here? What happened to "Kedaulatan Undang-Undang" under Rukun Negara?
Why are these Guarded Neighbourhood schemes (illegal gated communities) allowed to use auto access card system even though they do not have all the residents' agreement? Even strata or private properties are required to have 100% agreement from their residents!
Even though this has been spelled out clearly in the guidelines, unscrupulous RAs still blatantly disregarded it. Or is there an element of corruption, unethical act or abuse of power in the process?
The majority of residents and home owners now are urging the relevant authorities to investigate and put a stop to these illegal practices asap.
- Fresh new written consents from the residents must be obtained up-to-date yearly and officially, and not only once during the initial application by the RA.
- It must reflect the current consents given by the residents every year, and not based on incorrect outdated consents given years ago. (This is because majority of the residents do not know what they were getting into at the beginning or were misguided. Also many residents prefer to drop-off the scheme along the way; some have moved out; and some do not want the scheme later on for obvious reasons after being coerced earlier on without any knowledge on the matter.
- The continuity of the scheme should also be based on the level of satisfaction and approval of the local community in terms of ethical conducts by the RA, guidelines adherence by the RA, community services and the compliance with the Rule-of-Law.
- A booklet containing all the relevant information on Guarded Neighborhood schemes and KRT (Kawasan Rukun Tetangga with Skim Rondaan Sukarela (SRS) or Voluntary Patrol Schemes should be published and made available to all the residents before deciding whether they agree on what to sign up or not. The information should include the legality of the schemes, any related laws and acts (eg: Akta JPJ, Akta JPBD, etc.), the guidelines from the municipal council, what the RA and security guards can and cannot do, what is allowed, what is illegal, the rules, regulations, requirements, etc.
- Other information on the different types of properties such as strata vs private vs non-private, explaining the basic differences between them; management corporation vs joint management body vs residents association; KRT vs GnG schemes, Rukun Tetangga Act, input from Jabatan Perancangan Bandar dan Desa (JPBD), and the recommendation from PDRM, etc.
- Other information explaining the differences in the various gated and guarded schemes available in the country (gated community scheme vs guarded neighborhood scheme); etc.
- More rigorous approval requirements audits and residents' feedbacks, etc.
- Periodical enforcements by the authorities to ensure compliance, etc.
Monday 15 August 2022
If your residence is not a legal gated community, don't go and start an illegal one
Residents, please do not condone to any form of illegal gated community scheme or wrong doings by corrupt RAs.
For the many, not the few...
The Silent Majority
Tuesday 5 July 2022
Is your RA chairman a law abiding citizen chairman or a corrupt conman?
Dear Landed Property Residents (Non-Private),
Syarat ketat yang dikenakan ke atas skim komuniti berpagar yang tidak formal oleh semua majlis bandaraya /perbandaran di Selangor seperti MBSA, MBPJ, MPK dan MPS adalah tepat sekali dan patut dipuji. Ada sebabnya mengapa semua majlis perbandaran /bandaraya di Selangor telah membuat keputusan ini. Ia dibuat setelah mengambil kira semua faktor termasuk pendapat komuniti secara keseluruhan dan bukannya hanya daripada golongan tertentu sahaja.
Wednesday 21 April 2021
Beware of illegal GnG by corrupt RAs that are breaking the laws and making the residents pay
- That it is illegal to block public roads in residential areas (only allowed in private property /residences)
- That it is an offense for security guards to ask for I.C. or driving license even for recording purposes only (only allowed in strata or private GC residences)
- That auto access card system is prohibited and illegal (only legal in strata and/or formal GC residences)
- That they have no right to stop non-participating residents or any law-abiding citizens access
- That rightfully, they can only apply for a Guarded Neighbourhood GN scheme (classified as an Informal GC scheme)
- That they are required to put up a Notice Board containing all relevant information (please refer below guidelines by one of the local councils)
- If they have obtained all the necessary requirements & approvals from the relevant authorities
- That all their security guards have license and have undergone all checks, tests and other requirements from KDN
- How much money they are making every year from operating these schemes
- That they have their own personal selfish agendas to fulfill and are profit driven
- How lucrative is this industry and how easy it is for them to bs the residents
- That many residents have dropped/opted out of the scheme along the way and they no longer have enough consensus to operate
- That their GN scheme approval is actually on a temporary basis
- Not only is their scheme unlawful, it is also discouraged by the government and is actually against the National Unity Blueprint
- That there are other neighborhood watch schemes such as Rukun Tetangga, Skim Rondaan Sukarela SRS and Community Policing CP that don't cost any monthly fee at all.
- Yes... you can guess a few more (or you can read about them from the media)
- registration officers (of the National Registration Department of Malaysia or JPN)
- police officers (PDRM)
- customs officers/ immigration officers
- members of the Armed Forces on duty
- public officers authorized by the Director General
http://www.moha.gov.my/images/maklumat_perkhidmatan/pekeliling_agensi_persendirian/pekeliling_4.pdf
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It was stated that only a registration officer, police officer, customs officer, military officer or other officers authorised by the National Registration Department (JPN) director-general, can conduct checks on the identity of a person and request for identification, in accordance with Rule 7 of the National Registration Regulation 1990.
Additionally, National Registration Act 1959 (Act 78) and the National Registration Regulations 1990 (Amendment 2007), under Regulation 8, states that only an authorised personnel may require visitors to show them their MyKad for identity verification. *(Fyi, a private security guard is not an authorised personnel from the government)
In fact, a person who unlawfully keeps another person's MyKad can be charged under Regulation 25 of the National Registration Act.
Despite it being completely illegal, some people still give in to these requests for sensitive, important documents such as MyKad
It is argued that it will be difficult to get things done if a visitor refuses to give a personal document as they will not be allowed to pass through the security check point and get to their desired destination.
Many others have voiced their objection to this practice, only to hear from the security personnel, saying that they are "only doing their job" and that there was no way to win the argument.
Eventually, people comply just because they "do not want any trouble" or to complicate things.
The practice of handing out an identification document to security guards is illegal and it poses the risk of forgery or misuse. For those who think that it's a good security measure, it is not. It is not foolproof as there were many cases whereby gangs and criminals use forged or stolen identity cards to target the GnG communities.
Recently, the residents associations (RAs) in Shah Alam are being subjected to the guidelines by the Shah Alam City Council (MBSA) for gated-and-guarded (G&G) scheme. The Star Online reported that the guidelines were amended to streamline the process and avoid confusion.
Here are some of the highlights of the new guidelines:
1. RAs must get consent from residents (100% approval) to set up automated gates and the access card system.
2. Security guards are not allowed to stop anyone from moving in or out of public residences.
3. Security guards are not allowed to ask for anyone's MyKad or even take a photograph of it at informal gated communities (public property or individual title residence).
A citizen residing in Petaling Jaya wrote in an open letter that was published on The Star, saying that other local city councils such as Petaling Jaya City Council (MBPJ) should take heed and emulate MBSA's efforts in tackling this tricky issue.
The writer said that the current landscape and process at G&G housing areas has made it extremely tedious for non-residents to move around the surrounding neighbourhoods.
It was said that the new stipulations, aimed at establishing orderliness and greater security and convenience for residents and visitors, are welcomed in a step forward towards the development of the country.
"I am sure this may have annoyed some but there must be the rule of law and the MBSA puts it quite clearly what must be complied with."
"I ask those wanting their neighbourhood gated and guarded, how they would feel when they are being asked for their identity card or stopped when visiting another housing area?"
Source: says.com/lifestyle
Original article by: Tang Ruxyn
Another con is that most if not all boards (RA committees) go bad as far as they and their friends are above the rules. It is very easy for the board (RA) president to skim money from the padded bill and countless other ways to steal.
Living in a gated community means signing up to a legal framework which allows the extraction of monies to help pay for maintenance of common-buildings, common services, such as rubbish collection, and other revenue costs such as paying staff to clean or secure the neighbourhood.
Please be informed that the implementation of automated proximity/ access card system by the RAs in BBR are unlawful and illegal as they do not have the proper approval from the council. In the first place the RAs here do not have enough consent from the residents.
This entire neighbourhood consisting of Sime Darby Property's double-storey link /terrace houses is a non-strata, non-private development. (To all RAs in BBR - these are just informal "GnG" schemes; or categorized as Guarded Neighbourhood (GN) schemes only - so please do not flout the laws to bully the communities).
Many residents are fuming over the RAs' selfish agenda, causing lots of grievances, disharmony and inconveniences to the communities.
1. Tell them they have no right to ask for your MyKad or driving license (even just for checking and recording purposes, as it is illegal and an offence reportable to PDRM). Tell them it is illegal for them to block public roads in the first place. Tell them you will have to make a police report and lodge a complaint if they don't let you through.
2. Please make a police report at the nearest Balai Polis Bukit Raja Klang Utara (Tel: 03-3345 2222) if they do not comply. (You can try to request to speak with the RA chairman /committee, but take down their names and contact no. for/if any further actions).
3. And lodge in a public online complaint (e-aduan) to MPKlang or do it at the MPKlang counter there, better still if supported by a copy of your police report for prompt action. Or you can just lodge in a complaint to the council's e-aduan without a police report.
Monday 15 February 2021
Can security guards ask for your MyKad / driving license?
- registration officers (of the National Registration Department of Malaysia or JPN)
- police officers (PDRM)
- customs officers/ immigration officers
- members of the Armed Forces on duty
- public officers authorized by the Director General
http://www.moha.gov.my/images/maklumat_perkhidmatan/pekeliling_agensi_persendirian/pekeliling_4.pdf
Justeru, pengawal keselamatan hanya boleh meminta dokumen identiti pelawat yang hendak memasuki premis persendirian sahaja (seperti di kondominium dan komuniti berpagar yang formal sahaja). Pengawal keselamatan tidak dibenarkan meminta dokumen identiti di kediaman awam.
Secara ringkas, syarat-syaratnya adalah seperti berikut:
1) Pengawal keselamatan dibenarkan meminta dokumen identiti pelawat hanya di premis persendirian sahaja seperti di kondominium dan komuniti berpagar yang formal. (Ini tidak dibenarkan di kediaman awam seperti komuniti berpagar yang tidak formal).
2) Syarikat kawalan keselamatan mestilah berlesen dan berdaftar dengan Kementerian Dalam Negeri (KDN - Lesen Agensi Persendirian)
3) Pengawal keselamatan mestilah memakai pakaian seragam dan lencana sah yang diluluskan KDN (Lampiran 1 di bawah Seksyen 3 Akta No. 27/71 - Pengambilan Pengawal dan Pekerja)
4) Pengawal keselamatan mesti mempunyai KPPK (kad pengenalan pengawal keselamatan) yang sah dan telah melalui program latihan CSG serta tapisan keselamatan KDN.
5) Menepati semua syarat seperti terkandung dalam Lesen Agensi Persendirian dan Seksyen 3 Akta No. 27/71 yang dikeluarkan oleh KDN.
It was stated that only a registration officer, police officer, customs officer, military officer or other officers authorised by the National Registration Department (JPN) director-general, can conduct checks on the identity of a person and request for identification, in accordance with Rule 7 of the National Registration Regulation 1990.
Additionally, National Registration Act 1959 (Act 78) and the National Registration Regulations 1990 (Amendment 2007), under Regulation 8, states that only an authorised personnel may require visitors to show them their MyKad for identity verification. *(Fyi, a private security guard is not an authorised personnel from the government)
In fact, a person who unlawfully keeps another person's MyKad can be charged under Regulation 25 of the National Registration Act.
Despite it being completely illegal, some people still give in to these requests for sensitive, important documents such as MyKad
It is argued that it will be difficult to get things done if a visitor refuses to give a personal document as they will not be allowed to pass through the security check point and get to their desired destination.
Many others have voiced their objection to this practice, only to hear from the security personnel, saying that they are "only doing their job" and that there was no way to win the argument.
Eventually, people comply just because they "do not want any trouble" or to complicate things.
The practice of handing out an identification document to security guards is illegal and it poses the risk of forgery or misuse. For those who think that it's a good security measure, it is not. It is not foolproof as there were many cases whereby gangs and criminals use forged or stolen identity cards to target the GnG communities.
Recently, the residents associations (RAs) in Shah Alam are being subjected to the guidelines by the Shah Alam City Council (MBSA) for gated-and-guarded (G&G) scheme. The Star Online reported that the guidelines were amended to streamline the process and avoid confusion.
Here are some of the highlights of the new guidelines:
1. RAs must get consent from residents (100% approval) to set up automated gates and the access card system.
2. Security guards are not allowed to stop anyone from moving in or out of public residences.
3. Security guards are not allowed to ask for anyone's MyKad or even take a photograph of it at informal gated communities (public property or individual title residence).
A citizen residing in Petaling Jaya wrote in an open letter that was published on The Star, saying that other local city councils such as Petaling Jaya City Council (MBPJ) should take heed and emulate MBSA's efforts in tackling this tricky issue.
The writer said that the current landscape and process at G&G housing areas has made it extremely tedious for non-residents to move around the surrounding neighbourhoods. (The roads do not belong to the RAs).
It was said that the new stipulations, aimed at establishing orderliness and greater security and convenience for residents and visitors, are welcomed in a step forward towards the development of the country.
"I am sure this may have annoyed some but there must be the rule of law and the MBSA puts it quite clearly what must be complied with."
"I ask those wanting their neighbourhood gated and guarded, how they would feel when they are being asked for their identity card or stopped when visiting another housing area?"
Source: says.com/lifestyle
Original article by: Tang Ruxyn
https://asklegal.my/p/neighbourhood-security-guards-registration-block-roads-malaysia
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